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red-iron-pine 5 hours ago [-]
"could"
so could the US. or China. or the Congo.
I could win the lottery.
jmye 3 hours ago [-]
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WokeUp420 18 hours ago [-]
We could only hope
claykkari 10 hours ago [-]
Why not total war?
"Hey, you've already fucked up. Ain't no sense stopping now." - Anthony Kiedis
23 hours ago [-]
gfrecvh 20 hours ago [-]
Oh no! Not Israel, that bastion of freedom and human rights!
krapp 10 hours ago [-]
Cool, now do the US next.
chews 22 hours ago [-]
one can only hope, this broken version of democrazy has really over extended themselves into rationalizing some of the worst behavior in modern times... The collusion between their leadership and American lobbyists has been a terrible look for America, and fortunately we live in a world where access to information has outpaced their ability to control the narrative. Boomers really let the future down man.
jameshilliard 20 hours ago [-]
> one can only hope
I'm curious, do you actually think Civil War and Total Collapse in Israel could realistically lead to a good outcome for anyone in the region, including Palestinians? Is there even a remotely plausible scenario resembling a good outcome that could result from a Civil War and Total Collapse?
chews 19 hours ago [-]
Have you ever formatted your hard drive and installed linux...
lorecore 20 hours ago [-]
Not only would it be good for the Middle East, it would be good for the entire planet. Imagine a US without Zionist influence?
jameshilliard 17 hours ago [-]
> Not only would it be good for the Middle East, it would be good for the entire planet.
How would Civil War and Total Collapse of a nuclear armed state be good for the entire planet? Has Civil War with a Total Collapse of the state in general led to good outcomes anywhere?
> Imagine a US without Zionist influence?
What actual difference do you think that would make?
lorecore 16 hours ago [-]
Nuclear armed Israel? They literally stole enriched uranium from the US to make that happen. Israel is nothing but a non-stop series of crimes against humanity.
Right, I'm curious how would Civil War and Total Collapse of a nuclear armed state like Israel be good for the entire planet as you've suggested?
> They literally stole enriched uranium from the US to make that happen.
I think there's probably more evidence that the Israeli nuclear weapons program initially was developed mostly in cooperation with France. After France stopped supplying fuel in the wake of the 1967 war apparently Israel did steal yellowcake from a Belgian mining company.[0]
Yes, Israel has spied on and stolen nuclear material from many countries, answering your own question as to why the world will be better off without them.
jameshilliard 15 hours ago [-]
> Yes, Israel has spied on and stolen nuclear material from many countries
I'm pretty sure most countries spy on many countries.
> answering your own question as to why the world will be better off without them.
That wasn't my question, the question was how would Civil War and Total Collapse of a nuclear armed state like Israel be good for the entire planet as you've suggested?
rekttrader 15 hours ago [-]
In fairness, the US probably watched it fall off the back of a truck.
ArizonaJoe 20 hours ago [-]
Yes, Israel is not a real country. It was forced into a region of the world after ww2. It does not survive any situation where the US does not help and it almost certainly does not survive the next 100 years just due to time and never being a real country to begin with.
AnimalMuppet 20 hours ago [-]
By your standard, how many "real countries" are there?
berygul 20 hours ago [-]
Who knew fake news can be popular on HN? Obviously only when it comes to one topic due to wishful thinking by the haters.
verdverm 19 hours ago [-]
Did you create this account an hour ago to specifically comment on posts critical of Israel?
As a new account, please review the submission and comment guidelines
Thanks for pointing that out. There are several accounts here that are primarily focused on posting anti-Israel content, such as the original poster of this story.
> on posts critical of Israel
This post is not really “critical” of Israel. It’s low quality fake news slop that’s only getting upvoted because the fantasy of it is getting some people excited.
verdverm 18 hours ago [-]
posting the truth about Israel's crimes is not de facto "anti"
The world sees, that's why we are turning away. My Jewish friends see and agree, several are traveling to vote in Oct.
What Israel has been doing is unacceptable to most humans, reflecting on this is helpful.
jameshilliard 16 hours ago [-]
> The Red Cell, which is the unit responsible for providing “alternative analysis” within the agency, produced the assessment through a combination of open source information and U.S. intelligence.
So is this article describing a war game sort of thing where units create staged scenarios for gaming out future crisis responses?[0]
Have you looked at the history of OP or do you only complain when the accounts are pro-Israel?
Besides, this policy systemically discriminates against minorities and minority opinions.
Jews are a minority and there are a large number of accounts here that are regularly posting extreme anti-Israel content, that is often exaggerated, misleading, or downright fabricated (such as this post).
If Jewish accounts would try to counter and give their side of the story every time that happens, their accounts would overwhelmingly be about one topic.
This combined with the ability of a majority to downvote a comment to invisibility ensures you get an echo chamber in here that is irrationally bigoted and misinformed.
lorecore 6 hours ago [-]
Are you saying all Jews support Israel? I’m told that’s antisemitism.
4gotunameagain 9 hours ago [-]
1) Stop conflating criticism of the state of Israel to antisemitism. There are many orthodox Jews that oppose zionism and the state of Israel.
One could argue that supporting the state of Israel as it currently stands and behaves is antisemitic, judging by the fact that its actions create huge negative sentiment about it and international isolation.
2) Stop creating new throwaway accounts in a transparent attempt to astroturf
faremint 8 hours ago [-]
You have referred to ultra Orthodox Jews as Nazis:
I’m under no illusion that I can have a rational discussion with you on the topic. My point was to @dang and anyone else reading this.
4gotunameagain 8 hours ago [-]
Let me explain this so that you can understand.
If you read it again you will see that I did not say that ultra orthodox jews are nazis, but a subset of those (the settlers) behave like nazis. Perpetuating the circle of violence.
Hope you had fun going through 5 months of my comments to find something you can complain about.
jameshilliard 3 hours ago [-]
> If you read it again you will see that I did not say that ultra orthodox jews are nazis, but a subset of those (the settlers) behave like nazis. Perpetuating the circle of violence.
You appear to be somewhat implying that the settlers which are engaging in violence are mostly Ultra-Orthodox(Haredi) Jews. Which is weird since only about 30% of settlers are Ultra-Orthodox and they tend to mostly reside in settlements along the Green Line(which are generally the least problematic type of settlement) for mostly economic reasons. The Ultra-Orthodox also generally try and avoid military service and don't typically engage in violent clashes with Palestinians. I don't know why you seem to be blaming a group that is largely trying to avoid IDF service for "the circle of violence", they tend to clash mostly with Israeli police if anything when protesting against mandatory conscription.[0]
The group you're probably thinking of that causes a lot of the problems by deliberately picking fights(i.e those in outpost settlements that are typically illegal even under Israeli law) when you think of settlers are more National-Religious(Dati Leumi).
He’s been doing it non-stop ever since. The only reason dang even did that is because he banned an anti-genocide poster and another commenter pointed out the double standard on this site.
so could the US. or China. or the Congo.
I could win the lottery.
"Hey, you've already fucked up. Ain't no sense stopping now." - Anthony Kiedis
I'm curious, do you actually think Civil War and Total Collapse in Israel could realistically lead to a good outcome for anyone in the region, including Palestinians? Is there even a remotely plausible scenario resembling a good outcome that could result from a Civil War and Total Collapse?
How would Civil War and Total Collapse of a nuclear armed state be good for the entire planet? Has Civil War with a Total Collapse of the state in general led to good outcomes anywhere?
> Imagine a US without Zionist influence?
What actual difference do you think that would make?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_affair
Right, I'm curious how would Civil War and Total Collapse of a nuclear armed state like Israel be good for the entire planet as you've suggested?
> They literally stole enriched uranium from the US to make that happen.
I think there's probably more evidence that the Israeli nuclear weapons program initially was developed mostly in cooperation with France. After France stopped supplying fuel in the wake of the 1967 war apparently Israel did steal yellowcake from a Belgian mining company.[0]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbat
I'm pretty sure most countries spy on many countries.
> answering your own question as to why the world will be better off without them.
That wasn't my question, the question was how would Civil War and Total Collapse of a nuclear armed state like Israel be good for the entire planet as you've suggested?
As a new account, please review the submission and comment guidelines
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
> on posts critical of Israel
This post is not really “critical” of Israel. It’s low quality fake news slop that’s only getting upvoted because the fantasy of it is getting some people excited.
The world sees, that's why we are turning away. My Jewish friends see and agree, several are traveling to vote in Oct.
What Israel has been doing is unacceptable to most humans, reflecting on this is helpful.
So is this article describing a war game sort of thing where units create staged scenarios for gaming out future crisis responses?[0]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cell
That's just not true.
The last post I commented on[0] wasn't Israel related.
> Is this really the place for propaganda ?
How is a question about the source of this report propaganda?
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49940809
Besides, this policy systemically discriminates against minorities and minority opinions.
Jews are a minority and there are a large number of accounts here that are regularly posting extreme anti-Israel content, that is often exaggerated, misleading, or downright fabricated (such as this post).
If Jewish accounts would try to counter and give their side of the story every time that happens, their accounts would overwhelmingly be about one topic.
This combined with the ability of a majority to downvote a comment to invisibility ensures you get an echo chamber in here that is irrationally bigoted and misinformed.
One could argue that supporting the state of Israel as it currently stands and behaves is antisemitic, judging by the fact that its actions create huge negative sentiment about it and international isolation.
2) Stop creating new throwaway accounts in a transparent attempt to astroturf
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47737176
I’m under no illusion that I can have a rational discussion with you on the topic. My point was to @dang and anyone else reading this.
If you read it again you will see that I did not say that ultra orthodox jews are nazis, but a subset of those (the settlers) behave like nazis. Perpetuating the circle of violence.
Hope you had fun going through 5 months of my comments to find something you can complain about.
You appear to be somewhat implying that the settlers which are engaging in violence are mostly Ultra-Orthodox(Haredi) Jews. Which is weird since only about 30% of settlers are Ultra-Orthodox and they tend to mostly reside in settlements along the Green Line(which are generally the least problematic type of settlement) for mostly economic reasons. The Ultra-Orthodox also generally try and avoid military service and don't typically engage in violent clashes with Palestinians. I don't know why you seem to be blaming a group that is largely trying to avoid IDF service for "the circle of violence", they tend to clash mostly with Israeli police if anything when protesting against mandatory conscription.[0]
The group you're probably thinking of that causes a lot of the problems by deliberately picking fights(i.e those in outpost settlements that are typically illegal even under Israeli law) when you think of settlers are more National-Religious(Dati Leumi).
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredi_conscription_in_Israel
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49938968
He’s been doing it non-stop ever since. The only reason dang even did that is because he banned an anti-genocide poster and another commenter pointed out the double standard on this site.